The Digging For Kryptonite podcast has released a new episode in which host Anthony Desiato interviews writer Joe Kelly about his classic early 2000s “Action Comics” run.

They discuss the challenge of writing the finale to every crossover storyline; collaborating with artists German Garcia, Kano, Duncan Rouleau, and Pasqual Ferry; pitching a different version of Pokolistan’s Zod; mining the humanity of Clark and Lex; and crafting a modern masterpiece in Action Comics #775. Plus: Just what WAS the deal with Ignition?!